Any news about ironmen receiving hero satchels?
The feedback from Ironmen in general on Hero Pass might take us a little time, but conversations have already started on what options we can look at to improve. We'll keep you updated as they progress.
If it really takes 40 minutes to do the daily tasks, and it doesn't complete by itself when I'm just doing my stuff, then I just won't bother. I don't have time to play with your Major Content Update.
I also resent the ugly mobile interface shoved in the desktop game. These are cheap battlepass aesthetics. Get that junk out of my RuneScape. Back to the drawing board.
You will complete them just by playing the game. If you put around 40 minutes or so of general time in doing whatever you'd prefer to be doing, based on the balancing goals, Daily Missions should be complete. You can half that if you focus on the skill tied to it if you want to speed it up.
I do want to restress something that was said in the original Hero Pass post though - these aren't supposed to be the same as Daily Challenges, but we made a concession on the design.
The XP Lamps being in there dilutes the original intent, which was more for the Missions to just reward you with progress for the days you play vs being 'Dailies' you feel compelled to do. We did something that somewhat conflicts with our design intent because we didn't want to fully pull XP from a Daily system without further consultation from the community on it.
If the end result of this is it feels worse because now you're having to spend 40 minutes to chase XP, that's a valid bit of feedback for us to look at ...
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That's not Mod Keeper's fault.
Doom mentioned it last week, but this was a mistake on our part to not catch the error and we are sorry to those of you who felt misled by it. Wasn't the intent.
Heads down in Necromancy, we didn't stop and properly consider 'Major Update TBA' on the Development Update image. Lesson learned, we got that wrong and won't be making that mistake again.
While it is a major update after a long project from the previous Yak Track team to make something fundamentally integrated and much improved based on issues with Yak Track (if we got it right!) - which is where this term came from - we shouldn't have been using that term publicly.
It also shouldn't have been on a Development Update image, which no matter how we label them are seen as Content Roadmaps, which we also understand is why expectations were overstated for this. We don't see this as content, we see it as a system/reward based feature.
We are genuinely excited to see if this feels like a real ste...
Read moreWe have a reduced Patch Notes this week to enable extensive testing for Hero Pass' release, given it's a system that touches many elements of the game in different ways. Development work is still continuing on Necromancy updates and beyond.
Theres no way this made it into the patch notes without someone at Jagex acknowledging this would just piss off the player base and was completely unneccessary to even include in the first place right?
We felt it would be better to be transparent on why there's less Patch Notes than usual this week - especially when we've got lots of Necromancy feedback development still ongoing - than just have a small Patch Notes section with no context.
Absolutely nothing They don't want irons in the game, we don't buy spins.
We are looking at the Ironman rewards for Hero Pass and looking to make improvements based on the feedback last week.
The team have been considering options on how we can make it better on that front - whether that's giving you more things worth spending Oddments on, some refinement to Ironman Hero Pass rewards or potentially both.
As I said before:
It takes me 5 minutes to complete my daily challenges at the moment. This new system will take 40 minutes. An additional 35 minutes a day doing content I don't want to do. Dailyscape made worse, not better.
What if I want to spend the day doing clues, or other activities where I won't be actively gaining experience? I lose out because i'm not interacting with the Hero Pass. So instead, in my example of doing clues, I will be missing out and I am instead forced to do content I don't want to do.
At least with daily challenges I could get them out of the way very quickly so I can get on with doing the content I want, not content dictated by Jagex.
Clues are rewarded in Hero Pass as well. It acknowledges more than just skilling XP - bossing, clue scrolls etc are all covered.
To be clear, Daily Missions reward you for doing anything pretty much - you do not have to do a specific task or skill. Simply playing will progress the Daily Mission, without needing to alter your gameplay in any way.
In terms of if you miss that short, sharper burst of a Daily reward of some kind - that's feedback we can look at if it feels like the experience isn't delivering on the intent. We're absolutely open to feedback on how this plays, and what people want to see changed.
Read moreBut the XP has been fully pulled from Ironmen accounts.
We'll add this to our current Ironman discussions for consideration. We're looking at Ironman rewards all up based on last week.
I think the community will be a lot happier if we got similar XP gains to the old daily challenge system.
Thank you for the feedback!
Dailies should never take 40 minutes, now we're compelled to log in for 40 minutes a day just to chase a reduced xp amount and fomo battle pass completion.
How is this better then having us spend 5-10mins on previous dailies and be done with it for the day?
This is feedback we'll be watching closely. Thanks for sharing your thoughts - please keep it coming if you feel this way in the next week or so once you've had some hands on time with it.
Feedback: Can't open it in combat. That's cool, didn't really want to look around anyway.
We're passing this to the team now to take a look at along with the replies. Thanks for the feedback.
What happened to the ”awaiting system update” -list of the newest Necromancy post?
Awaiting System Update means the content work is done, it just needs QA and implementation into a release. Expect to see a lot of these next week.
Golden Bamboo fix? Investigation? Anything?
Go on, tap that sign. I'll tap the zero communication sign.
We should definitely follow up on this with the team.
Tagging /u/JagexDoom as I'm away over the next week after today. Hopefully we can get you an update.
Cool, so you took away daily challenges but don't even provide Ironmen XP lamps from the daily missions, nor does it look like we get Hero Satchels which a good majority of the rewards we could already receive from the daily challenge weekly progress track.
- Give Ironmen lamps from Daily Missions, even if they are locked to the skill of the mission.
- Give Ironmen Hero Satchels with rewards limited to those we already received from the weekly progress track.
Please and Thank You.
Thank you for the feedback on this. Been mentioning it a bunch, but we are looking at rewards for Ironmen players at the moment - we'll add this to the feedback we're passing along for the team to consider.
Shame not all missions auto complete. I'm 200m Necromancy and it wants me to complete another 100 rituals? Seems pointless.
Unfortunately that was one we couldn't make retroactive out of the Special Mission due to how it's tracked.
Good feedback for the team for future Special Mission consideration though - it's designed to feel additive to playing the latest content, which doesn't apply in your case.
Why can't we open the interface while in combat or while skilling? Seems really silly to have to stop what you're doing to open the Hero Pass.
This is feedback we're discussing with the team now. Hearing this loud and clear from initial hands-on experiences.
Why the heck do I need to spend Vis Wax to select my task now rather than be able to block skills I'm already 99/120/200m in?
I thought this update was supposed to mean I can just go about my own business than do some random task in this stupid pass.
You can do absolutely anything to progress it.
You just gain bonus progress from a randomly assigned Skill associated to it, which is purely for optimisation (ie. if you want to finish all three tiers of rewards in half the time).
The Vis Wax is there if you want to get that bonus progress specifically in what you are doing regardless of what is originally assigned you as the bonus skill.
We hear you on this, and began conversations last week about how to improve Hero Pass for Ironman players based on the feedback we saw then. The intention of Hero Pass clearly isn't hitting the mark for the Ironman experience as it stands.
It's a focus for the team at the moment and we'll hopefully have some updates to share in the near future.
Screen flickering still occurs.
During zamorak the lord of chaos fight, when u enter infernus, you still get black box "artifacts". Any of the client performance issues getting addressed in the near future ?
We're waiting on an engine fix for this - /u/JagexDoom may be able to share the latest dates from the team.
u/JagexHooli u/JagexDoom Any comments on how gutted this content is for Irons? Between this and combat xp I picked a terrible time to decide to start playing the game again and playing an iron as of that. Also why Oddments instead of hero store currency if you aren't going to give us the satchels?
We are absolutely looking at that feedback yes. We're hearing Irons loud and clear - working on what we can do with the team.
When you pin the daily mission to the activity tracker, it doesn't show what skill it's currently attuned to in the activity tracker like the yak track tasks would. It was much nicer with yak track being able to pin the tasks and go through multiple tiers without having to open the yak track UI every tier just to see what skills those tasks were. You can't do multiple tasks in a row now because you have to open the UI to claim stuff every task.
Especially with it being multiple layers of interfaces you have to go through now to find what skill it is - click upgrades & extras button on the ribbon (since for some reason it's the only ribbon button without a hover menu to go directly to a specific window), then click hero pass, then go to the missions tab, then potentially scroll up to daily if it isn't currently selected, then x out of both the hero pass window and the upgrades & extras window. There's a lot of extra UI friction now on every task.
The activity tracker also only supports pinning 5 things, but this hero pass has a total task list of 7, so you can't pin everything like you could with just the 2 yak track tasks, forcing you to have to go open the UI more often.
Thanks for this feedback, we just passed it to the team to consider.