Alibobaly

Yeah I only really care about pro play and additional RNG really leaves me unhappy. I'm also worried that they're over-saturating the map with mechanics now and it's going to confuse new players and viewers to no end.

This is a fair concern, but this is actually one of the reasons we stuck with existing mechanics from SR being reused. Ie: walls, paths, brush, movement speed zones (scuttlecrab), honeyfruit and water.

There's nothing new in the map you haven't seen before, but remixed and repositioned to give a bunch of brand new combat experiences.

Qaaee

Kinda lost on the dragon's soul thing. Do you get the elemental soul based off of the 4th dragon killed, or the most common drake?

Once the dominant dragon is identified (it's the 3rd elemental dragon), the map will transform to that element. I'm addition, the Dragon Soul you're playing for shares that same element.

Hope that helps!

WoxieNerdNu

Protective shell?

Yes, Scuttlecrabs take significantly reduced damage from all sources until it's been affected by hard CC (root or stun). After that, it can be defeated very quickly.

WoxieNerdNu

And I main jungle lol

Bonus Scuttlecrab tip: for about 2s after you DO apply hard CC to the Scuttlecrab, she takes INCREASED damage too. So, if you were Vi, you should Q through the Crab and then quickly fire off both your E punches as rapidly as possible to clear it quickly.

This one doesn't really fit the thread, but, silence abilities (Malz Q) and those that interrupt channels (Kassadin Q) both remove the protective shell from Scuttlecrab. No need for hard CC.

Could have been cleaner.

Notorious_REP

i guess you guys will have to think twice when adding more child champions to the game then, everyone saw the kind of crowd Zoe panders to from a mile away, you guys even went with "2000 year-old loli" meme ffs, dont play dumb.

We should absolutely be able to add a diverse selection of characters to our game without thinking about whether they'd appeal to players sexually, especially child like champions.

Are you suggesting we have a meeting where we discuss halting a champ design because some players may find this character sexually appealing in a way that is legally unacceptable?

Can you see how crazy that is?

These Loli based names have me perplexed; when did it become cool/funny to pretend to be a paedophile?

Which champ/ability/event even creates screenshake? I know I've seen it... Is it Ornn, but for him only?

AnataBakka

yea, ok, fixing a bug without reproduction i agree. But i don't agree with the low % stuff.

If bugs with high % got fixed i would agree, but since even those don't get fixed

Yeah, what you've saying does make sense. Quite reasonable presented too. Cheers

AnataBakka

I just thought about your answer, and i hate to say this, but that's not an excuse.

how many players use unflinching? If i tell you that there's a bug affecting 100% of its users (supposing there's at least one enemy champion that slows), will it get fixed?

You may say "yes". Too bad it's still not fixed since release.

The worst bugs are those when they happen each game you have an item on. For example spellthief on Illaoi or deadman's on Mordekaiser. If you put that condition the bug happens 100% of their games.

ps: I told you this, even though i know you may not even be the one that should fix those bugs, but as a general riot behaviour i don't think the % of players getting affected by the issue impacts having the bug fixed or not

It absolutely has to factor in, though. If I take a work day to hunt down a bug that we don't have a reproducible set of instructions for, I could have spent that day fixing 10 other bugs.

Oh and those other bugs could easily affect 1000 times as many players.

GOOCHSNIFFER1

Now this... this is a refreshing piece of honesty, I hate seeing all the "riot plz" comments on this subreddit and the fact of the matter is that you need to juggle demand for a fix as well as the type of issue and who it's affecting. Keep up the good work

I like you. You can stay. 😁

AnataBakka

wait, no, i was confused.

There's no longer 500 points for each range type.

There're only 500 points where both types are included, no? They no longer have separate bars. There's only one.

So i'm having trouble understanding this.

where both forms have exactly 1000 orb points when the last orb hits Kayn

The trasformation is only decided based on damage dealt no? Amount of orbs gathered has nothing to do with it

This conversation isn't going to get us anywhere since I can't remember what the script says. 😁

AnataBakka

xD lol

it's fine. I just wanted to update the wiki with the rhaast default info, but i couldn't understand the "tie" condition.

I think i'll put what i said above. "If Kayn hits both range types at the same time as his last hit then the trasformation will default to Rhaast."

Gah, you're going to have me check the script files now... 😆

AnataBakka

1000 orb points? wasn't 500 the maximum for each form?

also

It's just so close that there's no clear winner, so we pick the one that makes sense.

What do you mean by the one that makes sense?

I can't recall the exact orb count needed. Been months! The one that makes sense is the last type you damaged, like you mentioned earlier.

AnataBakka

The tie can only result if kayn's last hit hit both a ranged and melee type, right?

Since i think there was the rule that said if the range types' damage are within 8% of each other, the last range type hit will determine the trasformation.

Yep! This is still true, but it's not a tie in that instance. It's just so close that there's no clear winner, so we pick the one that makes sense. If there's an ACTUAL tie (where both forms have exactly 1000 orb points when the last orb hits Kayn), then the script picks the winner.

I'll revisit this logic if I can but it's very busy right now.

Asura-Knight

Wait!.... What do you mean by "Enemy picking Trundle and you losing that way!"? Does that mean, that once the game started, our Nexus will automatically fall? Or is there some Game Breaking bug at Trundle?

No, it's a joke. Trundle generally dumpsters Kayn.

leofravega

And if this happens in ranked? I mean, Kayn without his transformations is like half of a champ.

I know, it's shitty. But, there's a less than 0.1% chance this can happen to you (could be lower, but we don't track values lower than 0.1% in our data). There's a higher % chance of the enemy picking Trundle and you losing that way!

TangyOhio

Does that mean you haven't figured out what's causing it yet?

Yep. No clue. It affects less than 0.1% of Kayn games so it's just not a priority. It fucking sucks, I know it does, but there's only so much time in the day and we have to focus our efforts elsewhere.

This could just be a bug in the UI for all we know, meaning I personally couldn't even fix it alone. I'd probably need an engineer.

Orantar

You had equal red and blue orbs, issue has been there since passive rework.

A lesson to not assume random shit. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/d5c6tv/i_somehow_didnt_get_either_form_as_kayn/f0m8ze5/

This isn't the case I'm afraid. There a statement in there that says in a tie, always pick Rhaast.

It's the first thing I checked.