Posts by Bellissimoh

MidChampsWhere

do you guys explore themes like Sakura Kingdom - A place where princesses and swordsmen dance around on pink sakura flowers. A sakura princess Ahri is what i meant and so many others like Lux, Kaisa, Janna can all fit in this theme = pink flowers and petals in their clothes and animations.

There can be a mermaid world where these girls are like Mermaid princesses with very colorful and vibrant outfit and hair.

Butterfly kingdom - large wings with patterns

If you play Chinese or Japanese or Korean MMOs you will notice these are the outfits everyone is wearing and running around completing missions

I hope you guys create these beautiful, elegant and mystical lines. I am sure Western players will like them if not absolutely love them

This is a great suggestion. Also we definitely consider some of the source materials you mention. :)

BluBeatles

Hey is there any update on whether or not Zac is getting a new skin in the next year? I know his model is really hard to work with but his last skin that wasn't world's related was pool party from a long time ago. Something like Ice cream Zac or molten Zac would be cool and the chromas could be cool as well.

You called out the challenge and I’ll agree with you there. Making skins for Zac can be challenging. Can’t speak to unannounced skins on the roadmap but know that we haven’t forgotten Zac players. :)

ThunderousBlade

u/Bellissimoh

Maybe Elderwood morde holding a broken tree trunk with roots and moss on tip. With his armor covered in moss and vines. Tattered and broken cape.

Or Worldbreaker Morde (could work for other champs too, olaf, galio, voli , attrox, kayle, chogath, renekton etc

Bee-trox

vampire trox (bat creature and spiked bloody mace instead of sword)

dragon volibear with tail long neck and so on post rework or undead/mecha voli

darkin lulu with a horned head similar to aatrox and face similar to rhast. When she uses w she extended wings that fly.

Darkin claimed kayle (if aatrox claimed kayle's powers)

Darkin nautilus (effects similar to aatrox sword on his anchor would be cool)

Dragon/walking venus fly trap kogmaw.

grasshopper kha zix's/tristana

magic flying carpet taliyah (alladin style)

necromancer warlord illaoi (with gauntlet covered skeleton arms sprouting from ground that have swords in hands instead of tentacles)

serpent/dragon guardian illaoi with snake/dragon head tentacles instead

dwarf teemo (beard and throws a axe on q) R could be exploding barrels/tnt/medieval explosives/minecarts/exploding gemstones

Santa teemo with christmas candy cane thing as the dart flute w active could send reindeers from above that run ahead of him and drag him faster on a sleigh or just recall

human shaco that looks like a regular human in medieval clothes but sneaky maybe something like Lord Baelish from got with the houppelande clothes.

a xin skin that uses a spear with an axe near the end which would work really really with his animations. Also some good armor that changes a lot of his look.

A yummi skin that makes the cat look evil instead of cute something like the nexu from star wars with 4 eyes. Could be applied to rengar or nidalee cat form instead.

A skarner skin that makes him more crab like and has a triceratops like crest similar to the acklay in star wars.

A trundle skin in which he is a giant gorrila and wields a mossy tree branch with roots on the end where he hits enemies with. A chroma could be a white fur version of it and a brown one. Maybe orange and red too.

A werewolf skin in which warwick changes from a wolfman/ragged human to a full werewolf form when his w senses targets.

Spoon wielder cheff kayle. she throws eggs n sh to the enemies when she gets her aoe. Starts wielding a spatula or another one as well when stacked

Whip attrox. Uses a whip for his attacks and q and w.

water wielder hecarim that builds up a wave with e and r. he could be spectral in appearance. Like the elven river magic in lotr when the nazgul try to cross.

caveman trex rider kled

velociraptor warwick (really cool r when he jumps)

Triceratops cavewoman rider sejuani

giant mole reksai with sniffing sounds her ult would be big lmao

porkipine rammus

Thanks for all these suggestions. One thing to keep in mind when it comes to skin suggestions is we have to be careful about combining things to the point where they get too close to another current or maybe even future champions design space.

One example is you mentioned Dwarf Teemo where he has a beard, axe, and exploding barrels. While he’s shorter than Olaf and Gangplank, he might tread too close to what those other champions or even skins of champions already hit.

Also while we want to push the envelope and have a lot creative freedom with outfits, gear, and weapons, we still need to try and stay in the same ballpark of the source material. Two big reasons here, one because League is already a difficult game to learn, and having Teemo throw axes might confuse a new player and make them think it’s a completely different champion. The other reason is because people who are Teemo fans opted into him because they like what he has already, so we want to build on that rather than...

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Spideraxe30

Oh yeah another question, could I ask for your thoughts on variants, did meet product goals since we haven't seen any since Leona

There will be more variants in the future. :)

MrMulligan

You've probably already heard it a few times, but thank you for the communication that you have provided in this thread.

Also would love a new Bard skin

Thank you for being a League fan MrMulligan. :)

TheeOmegaPi

I know I replied to you earlier, but I'm actually curious now: Is there any plan to increase the play rate of particular champs other than skin sales? Is that on the board at all?

Main efforts that would potentially touch on that would be gameplay updates and live balance updates.

bazopboomgumbochops

Would you be able to tell me how well Blood Moon Zilean has sold? Because his rework (and the skin's release, his last skin,) were 4 1/2 years ago. Is he just totally useless sales-wise? Or are you holding off on making content for him on the expectation of doing a visual overhaul (that probably won't happen, given that he was reworked 4 1/2 years ago and still never got his splash arts updated?)

Not to sound too bitter - I like y'all leaving him be, kit-and-balance wise. I do wish he had more than 1 decent skin though.

Can’t really speak to any gameplay around Zilean. Can say that he’s just a lower play rate champ generally. We haven’t forgotten about him though on the skins side, there have been a few ideas kicked around but nothing we can really talk about at current.

LeFiery

Interesting to see a rioter actually reply to comments like that and not just ignore it. Thank you.

It can be really hard to sit down and discuss hard issues when there’s a lot of anger or bitterness around some topics. Particularly in the digital age when you be almost anywhere you want to be just in one alt/tab or swipe of your thumb on your phone, it’s easy to opt out of conversations you don’t want to be a part of.

That’s why it’s really important that when folks do engage, they focus on what they want to see, or the desired direction they want to see the game go, as opposed to criticizing decisions or even attacking developers that are just trying to make something that people like at the end of the day.

In short, thank you LeFiery for giving us productive feedback. We need it if we’re going to keep getting better. :)

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Zadorboy

Hello Bellissimoh ! Do you have any news on a potential Taliyah skin ? Is it in the works or some kind of list ?

I can’t fuel any speculation on future skins. I can say that we know it’s been a while since she’s had one and we’re trying to hit all of our skin starved champs in the next year or so.

Dopp3lg4ng3r

You need to gather informations from said mains for a targetted audience skin, a lot of subreddit mains are willing to provide help as long as you do care listening and discussing.

Ivern's skin has been actually catastrophic in the community it has been a huge disappointment

Yup we definitely heard Ivern mains when that last one came out. Know that we’re going to put more calories into understanding what mains want of a given champ moving forward, across the board but particularly low play rate champs.

Zadorboy

Hm I see. Thanks a lot for the feedback !

Also as a side note, I’ve got over 100k mastery on Taliyah, so I may not be as big of a fan as you are but I’m also a huge fan of our resident Stoneweaver.

That aside, thank you Zadorboy for engaging with League and us here in this community.

TheeOmegaPi

Real talk, I've been waiting for a Rioter to be this direct about champions for a while, especially for unpopular champions. I've tried to make cohesive arguments about this, especially with regard to the importance of marketing, and until today (I've been following your responses to this thread, /u/Bellissimoh) there s been weird arguments that either distracted from the fact that unpopular champions got little attention from the lore/skin front or ignored it altogether. I remember talking to a Rioter on here about two years ago about this, and they tried to use Pokemon as a way to make the argument that some champions will naturally be more/less popular than others, but there was no concrete plans to try to decrease the amount of time between skins/being featured.

As one who almost exclusively plays unpopular champs (e.g., Ivern, Yorick, Shaco, Hecarim) because I find them fun, I'm glad that y'all are making an effort.

Hey I’m in the same boat man. Taliyah, Aurelion Swole, Trundle, Kench, Udyr are some of my highest mastery champs.

These champs will all get skins at some point. (Just as Udyr did recently). But I’m not here to prioritize my needs as a player. Our job is to look at all champions, and more importantly the audiences of those champions (you, players) and make sure we serve them the best we can.

HeWhoBringsDust

Thank you for communicating with us. I know there’s a lot of hate and unkind words being thrown around regarding Riot on Reddit lately, so I (and other Redditors) are thankful you decided to actually comment on this.

I wanted to ask though, would it be possible to have a sort of compromise with the skins? I know Riot is a business, so it’s only logical to focus on skins for champs that sell well, but could you maybe try to slide in one or two unpopular champ skins into every skin set release? That way they get some love as well.

The commitment we can definitely make is that we’re going to be making more skins in total. The result of that will be more skins across all buckets (both low, medium, and high play rate champs). The ratio of low play rate to high play rate though we can’t make any hard commitments there.

Also to your comment on the recent bias towards critical feedback over constructive. Be the change you want to see.

We can always be better about informing players about what we’re trying to do, and everyone here has the power to be constructive if they want to be.

spyborg3

~8 months?

So to be real, I thought you were trolling / poking fun. Imagined you bring much younger or decades out from having a grandchild.

As some else here mentioned congratulations! And you know what I can’t concretely answer whether or not we’ll beat your grandchild to the rift, but know that we want players of all champions to count the time since their last skin in months and not years.

We’re not there yet but that’s where we want to go.

B3bby

Speaking of Star Guardians, will Poppy get some Pyjama's? I was very sad when everyone form that set got some but Poppy didn't and Lux got some instead :'(

Pyjama guardians were definitely beloved by a lot of players. Know we’re not in the business of making promises until we know something will happen for players, but your feedback is noted. :)

Predatoratorr

Thank you, i'm sure it'll be worth the wait. Here are some xerath and skarner skins ideas i'd love to share, keep up the good work!

Dark Star Xerath: there's even a wonderful concept ( https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/JAgAUXGU-skin-idea-dark-star-xerath?show=flat ) made by SlownD. Dark themes suit xerath particulalry well, due to his personality and story, and shooting deep space energy would fit him like a ring;

The new Dark Cosmic line is also so fitting for Xerath: being so powerful, he could manage the power from both Dark Star, and Cosmic Reaver.

Archlight Xerath: one of the most evil characters in LoL trying to redeem himself? White and gold armor, white particles with symbolism and plummeting dark forces shooting blinding light arcanopulses, or purging them from the skies with celestial arcane barrages;

Harrowing/Haunted Xerath: i mean, his armor is a sarcophagus, just make it creepier with some dark material/monstrous insertions, slap some green/light blue spooky particles, let him unleash his spooky magic while ulting, et voilà, you just found a skin for the next harrowing!

Mecha/pulsefire Xerath: i just need a good mechanical/robotic alternative to Battlecast Xerath. Armor transforms as he casts his spells (to each spell his form) and returns normal after the cast: it'd be so cool to see him transforms while comboing. Orange/yellow particles, and you're good to go.

Void Xerath: this one may be a little bit trickier, but with the organic armor, and tendons or alikes keeping it in place, Xerath should still look quite Void-y while casting purple colored spells!

An ascended Xerath skin would be top of the top, however i don't have any solid concept to go from =/

Battleboss Xerath: like seriously, already playing against xerath feels like a boss battle, where you got to close on him dodging everything he throws at you. he was even the boss in ascension mode, how about that!

Elementalist would be cool too, Q could be a concentrated ray of wind, W water from above, E some kind of lightning, and R could work as a volcano erupting. or you could switch between R and W

also Program, but he really fits well into any tech-y theme, just switch his sarcophagus armor with some metal, slap some cool VFX and there you go

Edit: with Stars Shaper, we went with the idea of a magic lancer xerath: His q could be a spear that stretches as j4's does (maybe he juggles with It as charging animation?) His w can a spear falling from the sky E could be another type of spear, or a morning star. R could be javelins His armor could be like the Lancer zero skins, or made up with weapons and blades, like a moving armory

Also, i'd love if a skin could be made out of his concept art, those black and white particles are really nice.

Skarner: Giant enemy lobner/deep terror skarner Surprisingly to me, a lobster skarner skin is a popular concept. however i don't want it to be an april fool's line skin, se here's some ideas for it: Passive: capped by the enemy: boat floating midair. capped by skarner & team: the ship sinks and lays on map terrain, like a shipwreck on the bottom of the ocean floor, really dark). dark water currents show the spire range. Q: dark water splash/ tentacles going allout from skarner's body. W: dark water bubble engulfs skarner/or some kind of frightening coral reef. E: not sure about it, could be some kind of dark water projectile. R: tentacles going all out from skarner's tail, entangling the victim.

High Noon Skarner Half demon-half cowboy can be really fitting of skarner, with scorpions being legendary creatures of the old wild west. Passive: capped by the enemy: normal sand lair, with some cinder and smoke coming out of it. capped by skarner & team: sand lair with flames going out of it, like an entrance to hell. jericho roses and sand particles at the edge of the spire. Q: erupts fire and dust; W: horns appear allover him, and his body is covered in fire. E: revolver, that's all. R: skarner unleashes his demonic form, and lunges his stinger to drag the unfortunate soul (literally) in hell.

Void skarner His claws become jaws, his stinger has an aline-esque appearance. passive could be some void relic, eggs, spawn, etc.

Riot skarner Passive: capped by skarner & team: flare gun shoots from the center of the spire, and the flare stays on the floor His claws are electric staffs, and his stinger has a taser like appearance. Q: electric shock from his staffs. W: riot shields spawn and his siren activates. E: water gun on his back. R: taser shoots a charge at target, sirens activate.

Dark Cosmic Skarner really fitting of him, since scorpion is a zodiac sign, but his ult can be a literal blackhole his passive can be made of nebulae's/cosmic object. E can be a star being shot from skarner's core fire themed skarner; ice theme skarner.

Again thank you and best wishes for your work =)

This is an amazing set of feedback and suggestions. I’ll be passing this both to the thematic development team as well as some of our skins teams. Thanks for taking the time to write it up Predatoratorr. :)

Rafaap

void hunter jax please i love lore related skins

Other than Void Hunter, are there are lore related themes you’re interested in seeing more of or exploring further?

TerraRising

Understand your comment and why you might feel that way. Know that we’re trying to do better though.

Please know that I've read this and you may actually be be trying to do better...

But understand that I've heard this a thousand times before from other people on Riot's skins team and it's only gotten worse for niche players.

Understand there’s a history. And you’re absolutely right. I can say a bunch of stuff here on Reddit but it’s our actions and what we deliver ultimately that matters. Going to have to wait and see if we meet expectations on that front.

Intensolo

Thank you for the communication.

Thank you for caring enough to engage with us and be constructive. We’re nothing without our fans.

QUINN_VALOR_VGU_WHEN

This is honestly a relief to hear coming from a Rioter. Ever since Heartseeker Quinn's relatively negative reception, I feared the skins team would be dissuaded from making more skins for her.

For skin themes in general, my gut feeling is that players generally prefer high-quality skins that amplify the core fantasy of their main champions and take it up to 11. Spirit Guard Udyr and God-King Garen are some good examples of this. Their themes are relatively similar to the base champion, but taken to crazy epic proportions with the visuals to support that fantasy.

Yeah in the Quinn example, we can get a pretty good sense for how many people play Quinn and estimate what the rough demand should be for a Quinn skin.

So if a Quinn skin doesn’t perform, we look internally at our decisions, thematic choice, and art execution first.

If a skin doesn’t perform, that’s on us. We didn’t make something that Quinn players wanted, and it’s our job to figure out what Quinn players want the next time around.

Also we recognize that the cycle time or time in between skins for low play rate champs is long. We’re working on that as well and hope to talk about that more later this year.

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