Have you guys ever toyed around with the idea of letting people spend 720 rp to get a random 1350 or 1820 skin? I feel like it'd make you more money overall.
Mentioned above but this is where things like Your Shop or skin sales come into play. Also many people do engage with loot in order to get skins at a price that is on average lower than purchasing one directly at the trade off of agency and choice of which skin.
My issue isn't that I feel locked out of cosmetics because of the higher price thresholds, it's that a result of Riot focusing on higher tiers for skins is up selling.
This is valid feedback. It’s also why we try and regularly deliver lower price purchase opportunities like Your Shop.
Definitely taking note of this sentiment as time goes by. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Hey folks. My name is Bellissimoh and I’m the Product Lead for Personalization on League.
“People don’t want 720s.” Over the last several years we’ve seen really poor engagement for this category of skins. Not only do we not see people engage with them but also in surveys players cite them as being lower quality, being unhappy with them when they purchase them, and wish their champion had gotten a 1350 or 1820 instead. Don’t get me wrong, while there are players do like 720s, they’re just not of a large enough audience size for us to focus on. (As an example, many of our lower play rate champs have larger audiences than the folks who show up for 720s)
Another thing that we look for as far as measuring player satisfaction and engagement on skins is how many times people use a skin in-game when they own it. 720s also really under index here.
So in summary, people don’t really buy them, when they do they generally aren’t happy, and don’t use them nearly as much as Epic or Legenda...
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Came here to see this comment. Was not disappointed.
Love those Qs
Yeah I’m a big fan of the Q and the sound effects on hit. :)
Thanks! The new Nami and Morgana skins are exactly how I imagined the Sakura Kingdom to be and mentioned it to you in above reply.
I am so happy that you guys are already looking into this theme.One more request - please include Ahri and Lux in this skinline. I really want them to get a beautiful sakura princess skin with pink flowers and petals on their clothes and animations.
Or like they are mermaid princess (not Atlantean skinline), colorful and vibrant, lengthy and voluminous hair. Think Meera from Aquaman movie.Love you!
Hope you enjoy the Nami and Morgan’s skins. Can’t promise you more in this exact theme but can promise that we’re constantly trying to find ways to deliver more and hopefully hit themes that players enjoy. :)
Morgana flies in her homeguard animation, despite preaching about how she chains her wings and walks the soil to embrace her humanity.
Don't look too hard.
Literally unplayable.
I phrased that really poorly oof. A while back, there was a blog post about "finding your lunch table" which was about champion correlations and clusters of champions that people would be likely to play if they played a given champion. It's really out of the blue, but I remembered after seeing a post on reddit and kind wondered what would have changed since then in regards to clusters. It was a bit of a longshot but was kinda curious if there was any plans to do a part 2 or something.
I would imagine clustering could change over time. Especially as balance changes or reworks change play patterns or update the champion fantasy.
I wouldn’t know though for sure that would be a question for the champions team. :)
Oh, I wasn't referring to getting votes from Reddit, that would definitely not be representative of what a given plauerbase wants for their character. I was referring to something like the skin creation process where people voted for the Resistance Illaoi and Little Devil Tristana skins. Iirc, for Illaoi, there was even a subsection breaking down the vote specifically for Illaoi mains. Im sure there's a reason why it isn't used, but I've always thought that something like that process would be useful for the niche characters.
In cases where we have a high degree of uncertainty or if there are multiple concepts / thematics that we think are good we’ll often do player labs. Tests where we bring in players across different regions to get a better sense of what they like or don’t like.
Can I ask how is it decided to "ban" a champion from getting a skin these days because back in the day Yorick, Urgot, Poppy, Taric, Sion were having years of ban, but now we get skins for Mundo, Nocturne, Udyr who are all on the rework list? Isn't that subverting the "put an additional plate on the champion update team workload" statement?
I’m not sure I’m following your point.
Champions are not banned from getting a skin. They might be put on hold when we know and have confirmed that a particular champion is getting a rework. Ex: Morde
In 2017 this blog was posted, which more or less admitted that champs are not getting skins if they are high on rework list. https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/05/dev-state-of-skins/ but right now champs who are high on it still get skins like Fiddle, Mundo, Udyr, Corki...
There’s a difference between on the backlog and actively being worked on.
We typically don’t make new skins for champions that are in the process of getting reworked. Those that are on the backlog but won’t start for some time are generally fair game.
It all really depends on the champion, the timeline for the VGU, and how far out that VGU actually is.
I have a question regarding the most recent Elderwood skins, hope you can answer. Kindred mains were asking for an Elderwood skin for the duo, due to an amazing skin concept done by VegaColors (I'm pretty sure you guys have already seen it), and Super Galaxy Kindred came out three years ago (May 2016). With that in mind, what was your thinking process when deciding which champions will receive this year's Elderwood skins?
Considering that Ahri got her last skin less than a year ago (with Prestige Edition that's still available with PP) and Nocturne looks more like Coven, it could've been a perfect opportunity to make Elderwood Kindred happen (and release Elderwood Nocturne exactly as it is right now but next year and renamed as Coven).
I don’t know if there’s going to be an answer you’re going to be satisfied with here tbh. You want a new Kindred skin and we didn’t make one for this set of Elderwood skins unfortunately.
We haven’t forgotten about Kindred and I hope that our next Kindred release meets the tastes and needs of as many Kindred players as possible.
Can I ask how difficult it is to make a skin for Urgot? I do not want to sound rude, but we do not want to wait 2000 days for another skin. :(
What our discord and reddit server psyched about right now is being divided with the following skins, based on amount of mentions: Evil Star Guardian (serious at this, I want it too, he'd be like Syndrome from Incredibles who IMO is amazing supervillain), Dark Star, Mafia, Burgot, Battle Boss, Pool Party (water gun knees), Snowman (remember Little Elf Teemo concept art? carrot gun knees), and my own personal suggestion: a six-legged Spider themed Halloween skin.
Spidgot: A six legged spider monster who shoots webs from everything. Q would be a larger cocoon drop, W would be rapid spiderweb shooting, E would be same as other skins, just maybe make it look more spider-y, R would shoot a large web into a second mouth that is his stomach and the pulled in victims would be consumed.
Thank you very much, if you at least gonna comment on the first paragraph. I have always been curious to know this information.
We don’t want you to wait 2000 days either. We’re working hard to ship more skins per year, which will hopefully help us cover more champs in a given year.
Do you think that using something like a tweaked variation of the choose-a-skin contest would be optimal for more niche character fanbases?
Voting on something like Reddit, while helpful, only gets information from a narrow slice of the entire global audience.
We’re looking at a variety of tools to help better inform our decisions moving forward.
On another topic, do you know if riot has anything planned for the lunch table thing? I always thought that tool was interesting and you seem to like a lot of champs that I do, so I wanted to see how the rest of the community is in regards to this.
Sorry I’m not sure I know what you mean by “lunch table thing”?
Would he be the hardest champ to make skins for? I know rumble and zyra are hard as well but they have more skins.. so I'm guessing Zac has the hardest rig to work with?
I would say he’s more difficult conceptually than technically.
Zyra is hard because of raw amount of assets and animations, Zac is more “what thematic makes sense and can be clearly communicated but also be different than his base / chromas?”
Last time I heard this in the riot pls we got the joke that is dunkmaster Ivern.
Not holding my breath for this kind of stuff anymore
Skepticism makes sense. Hope we convince you otherwise in the future with our actions and releases.
do you guys explore themes like Sakura Kingdom - A place where princesses and swordsmen dance around on pink sakura flowers. A sakura princess Ahri is what i meant and so many others like Lux, Kaisa, Janna can all fit in this theme = pink flowers and petals in their clothes and animations.
There can be a mermaid world where these girls are like Mermaid princesses with very colorful and vibrant outfit and hair.
Butterfly kingdom - large wings with patterns
If you play Chinese or Japanese or Korean MMOs you will notice these are the outfits everyone is wearing and running around completing missions
I hope you guys create these beautiful, elegant and mystical lines. I am sure Western players will like them if not absolutely love them
This is a great suggestion. Also we definitely consider some of the source materials you mention. :)
Hey is there any update on whether or not Zac is getting a new skin in the next year? I know his model is really hard to work with but his last skin that wasn't world's related was pool party from a long time ago. Something like Ice cream Zac or molten Zac would be cool and the chromas could be cool as well.
You called out the challenge and I’ll agree with you there. Making skins for Zac can be challenging. Can’t speak to unannounced skins on the roadmap but know that we haven’t forgotten Zac players. :)
Maybe Elderwood morde holding a broken tree trunk with roots and moss on tip. With his armor covered in moss and vines. Tattered and broken cape.
Or Worldbreaker Morde (could work for other champs too, olaf, galio, voli , attrox, kayle, chogath, renekton etc
Bee-trox
vampire trox (bat creature and spiked bloody mace instead of sword)
dragon volibear with tail long neck and so on post rework or undead/mecha voli
darkin lulu with a horned head similar to aatrox and face similar to rhast. When she uses w she extended wings that fly.
Darkin claimed kayle (if aatrox claimed kayle's powers)
Darkin nautilus (effects similar to aatrox sword on his anchor would be cool)
Dragon/walking venus fly trap kogmaw.
grasshopper kha zix's/tristana
magic flying carpet taliyah (alladin style)
necromancer warlord illaoi (with gauntlet covered skeleton arms sprouting from ground that have swords in hands instead of tentacles)
serpent/dragon guardian illaoi with snake/dragon head tentacles instead
dwarf teemo (beard and throws a axe on q) R could be exploding barrels/tnt/medieval explosives/minecarts/exploding gemstones
Santa teemo with christmas candy cane thing as the dart flute w active could send reindeers from above that run ahead of him and drag him faster on a sleigh or just recall
human shaco that looks like a regular human in medieval clothes but sneaky maybe something like Lord Baelish from got with the houppelande clothes.
a xin skin that uses a spear with an axe near the end which would work really really with his animations. Also some good armor that changes a lot of his look.
A yummi skin that makes the cat look evil instead of cute something like the nexu from star wars with 4 eyes. Could be applied to rengar or nidalee cat form instead.
A skarner skin that makes him more crab like and has a triceratops like crest similar to the acklay in star wars.
A trundle skin in which he is a giant gorrila and wields a mossy tree branch with roots on the end where he hits enemies with. A chroma could be a white fur version of it and a brown one. Maybe orange and red too.
A werewolf skin in which warwick changes from a wolfman/ragged human to a full werewolf form when his w senses targets.
Spoon wielder cheff kayle. she throws eggs n sh to the enemies when she gets her aoe. Starts wielding a spatula or another one as well when stacked
Whip attrox. Uses a whip for his attacks and q and w.
water wielder hecarim that builds up a wave with e and r. he could be spectral in appearance. Like the elven river magic in lotr when the nazgul try to cross.
caveman trex rider kled
velociraptor warwick (really cool r when he jumps)
Triceratops cavewoman rider sejuani
giant mole reksai with sniffing sounds her ult would be big lmao
porkipine rammus
Thanks for all these suggestions. One thing to keep in mind when it comes to skin suggestions is we have to be careful about combining things to the point where they get too close to another current or maybe even future champions design space.
One example is you mentioned Dwarf Teemo where he has a beard, axe, and exploding barrels. While he’s shorter than Olaf and Gangplank, he might tread too close to what those other champions or even skins of champions already hit.
Also while we want to push the envelope and have a lot creative freedom with outfits, gear, and weapons, we still need to try and stay in the same ballpark of the source material. Two big reasons here, one because League is already a difficult game to learn, and having Teemo throw axes might confuse a new player and make them think it’s a completely different champion. The other reason is because people who are Teemo fans opted into him because they like what he has already, so we want to build on that rather than...
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