Yeah we prolly need to nerf her. Will be cooking up something for next patch.
Assassins would be useless.
Yasuo and Riven would be removed.
ADC’s would all have 50% winrates against each other and 60% winrates against the rest of the cast.
Only “real” enchanters would be viable as support.
Autofill would be removed BUT you’d somehow still get autofilled every single game when no one locks support.
Combat duration up 50% to combat damage creep.
If you win your lane you win the game (individual agency)
If you lose your lane you don’t lose the game (one bad player doesn’t ruin game).
It would a #DeadGame.
Read moreYou sound like one of those people who was venting years ago when Zyra, VK, Lux, and Brand started getting played as support.
The support position doesn’t need to be a marksman protecting wardbot every game. They can have fun too. Some people like enchanters (and protecting people). Some people like mages. Some people like tanks. Pyke and Senna are about making the 0 income position fun for a wider range of people. Thresh has a similar purpose when he was released years ago.
If your complaint is balance, that’s fair. Senna prolly needs some nerfs. It looks like you’re saying she and Pyke shouldn’t exist however. I can’t agree with you there. League is much better for having variety within roles.
Read moreAlso what's up with Rioters going out of their way to emphasize how much Taliyah shouldn't get a skin
I mean come on you gave Ivern a skin, you gave Ziggs skins three years in a row with chromas *and* merch and he's pretty much an ARAM exclusive champ, I feel our circlejerk is warranted
It was in response to a person insisting that if we just buffed Taliyah people would play her a lot. I’m not emphasizing that she shouldn’t get a skin, I’m emphasizing that power won’t make her popular. Even when she was one of the best mids in the game she was barely played.
"Originally" is a bit misleading, it was just part of the exploration. They do some crazy stuff in exploration, like lvl 16 Kayle gaining 'True Flight' (Kayn's E) permamently!
IT WAS SO COOL
I think this argument is bunk when you look at the playrates of other champions who receive a lot of skins (according to champion.gg)
Lux- 2.18%
Ahri- 3.11%
Akali- 4.08%
Qiyana- 3.88% (Hasn't received a lot of skins yet but obviously will considering how she already has a post release skin)
All these champs get loads of skin attention but don't have playrates that are significantly higher than Ornn. Just imagine how unpopular they'd be if they never got any skins...like Ornn.
Lux is one of the most played champions in the game.
Plat+ Ranked isn't everything.
I mean obviously you're right otherwise riot would have released a skin for them by now. With that said, I do have a few counter points.
pick rate can change, all it takes is a sizeable buff to any of these Champs and they could easily shoot up to 8-10% pick rate. Even if a champ is not popular now that doesn't mean it will never be popular.
When people buy champion, they expect it to be supported. I feel like it's a bad look to release a champ and then never release another skin for that champ.
Not really. Champions like Taliyah are SO UNPOPULAR that people won't even play them when they're the best champs in the game.
Pretty sure Taliyah had an amazing play rate before it was nerfed into oblivion.
nope
Gonna give my two cents, since, well, look at my flair.
It's known that players who main these low-pickrate champions are what you could call "true" enthusiasts; it doesn't matter if the champion is garbage or not, they keep playing because they genuinely like the champion.
In fact, that's why, at least prior to his mini-rework, Aurelion Sol had one of the highest winrates in midlane, despite his pickrate being one of the lowest. The only people who played him were people who played him frequently, because they genuinely liked the champion. Aurelion was stuck with his release skin for quite a while, until Riot relented and gave him Mecha, which is incredibly underwhelming; I don't know for certain the "buyrate" for the skin, but if it's low, it's completely understandable. But I can assure you, if he got a good skin, it would sell.
Compare with Kai'sa, for example, who has one the highest pickrates and winrates of all adcs ever since her release. I'm a toplaner and if I'm autofilled bot, I'm sure as hell playing Kai'sa because, if she gets to have high winrates and pickrates, that means she's strong. And for a fact, when I play adc, I do play Kai'sa. She's incredibly easy to play, despite claims otherwise, but stupidly overloaded. But, unlike Ornn or Mordekaiser, for example, I can't be bothered to get skins for Kai'sa because I don't like the champion. But still, I'll play her if I need to. See the difference?
Hell, even Galio got two actually good skins since his rework, despite also not being that much picked in comparison to other midlaners. And while you could say that there was a time when he was a meta pick, so were Ornn, Taliyah, Rek'sai, Kindred, and many others.
Also, I think your point is misguided in the sense that it's not like we're against popular champions getting skins. In fact, it's completely understandable that they would be given more skins. The game's free and selling skins is one way to generate revenue so to keep the game running; it's only natural you would try to sell what's more popular. What we are against, however, is completely ignoring champions because, unless absolutely no one plays a champion, they have a playerbase and should be given a little attention. We want what Riot has been doing with skinlines like Infernal, Omen of the Dark, Coven, or Elderwood (which has been "leaked" to be the next Ornn skin and I'll instantly buy it, chromas and all, if it is); give them to popular champions, but also include non-popular champions; you'll please both the higher and lower playerbase mains. We are against champions waiting for 3+ seasons until they get a mediocre skin because "it won't sell, so we won't give it much effort, and when it doesn't sell, we'll just use circular reasoning".
Low pick rate justifying a high winrate "because the mains" is just straight incorrect. Fun fact for you: On any given patch, the average Yasuo or Riven player you see in game will have more games on their champion than the average ASol. Turns out Riven and Yasuo are played a lot AND mained a lot.
Dude wait untill Riot decides to remove the gamemode because not enough people play, then you will actually understand our pain.
People play ARAM quite a bit.
Kit Updates and the dangers of creating multiple incompatible audiences
I hope they recognize taliyah here. Poor crown picking taliyah for his skin and then having his champ changed into a jungler.
Taliyah is good jungle != Taliyah is bad mid.
She's actually quite powerful in mid. Whether or not she's FUN is a different question.
They talk about failed reworks but don't bring up Swain? The worse rework in the game?
In terms of depth of play (how much a player is willing to pour game after game into the same champion), Swain is currently the deepest he's ever been in the history of his existence. He's also currently one of the deepest champions in the roster overall. Swain players play A TON of Swain.
Seems pretty successful to me.
Nice try me
Why is it that every single one of her abilities has 2000 different mechanics?
Everyone pointing out how broken her E is, and i'm just baffled at how insane her Q is.
Like, lucian got nerfed a dozen times because his Q made his poke in lane too strong. Senna's Q is also point and click, but has:
1-Way longer range
2-Way wider (EDIT:not wider!)
3-Auto attack reset (EDIT:not a reset!)
4-Procs her passive
5-cooldown lowered by basic attacks
6-HEALS
7-Can be used on wards and towers
8-procs press the attack
I probably missed something too lol. I bet it's going to be fun laning against her with her constant Q spam 8)
It isn’t wider. It doesn’t reset her basic attack.
riot how could you let her get THAT MUCH RANGE
rengar/kha event is out of the competitive games, I would assume that senna-thresh will be taken out too, however, it will be in soloQ ranked obviously
Rengar/Kha are in comp games.
Senna and Lucian get 30 AP and Armor (equivalent to 40 Thresh souls)
If Senna and Lucian are on the same team they will each get a separate quest to kill Thresh. If Thresh manages to kill both of them he will get 2x the mist stacks.
You should edit your post to not present false information.
Senna and Thresh get soul stacks from the other’s kit if they win. They don’t steal them. Nothing is lost.
I'm confident the unclickable portion of it is gonna be removed within a few patches after she hits live
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