Are you able to share if we can expect any new bots added and if the start of game and end game chat messages will remain, I really like the latter for flavor
Do you mean their custom quotes that the current bots state at the beginning or at the end of the game?
If so, that is on our roadmap, but probably sometime around full launch (or slightly after depending on the feedback during the PBE 2-week test!)
so is arena just coming back again for 5 minutes or permanent? why would they not clearly say that
but since they didnt even bother adressing it i guess its not permanent, i guess their metrics werent enough, what a surprise when the game was unbalanced half the time cause they didnt have enough time to fix it, some of the cameos ruined the game on the 2nd cour of the mode and the ranked system didnt feel as satisfying so competitive players stopped caring
Current plan is a 4 or 6 week (TBD, still shuffling various things around) run starting December. Still very interested in getting it to a potentially permanent state someday. Current belief is getting it to a good permanent state will require more than just the sorts of smaller adjustments that would go into a regular patch, hence the bring it back with large updates iteration approach here.
Edit: Updated to reflect could be 4 or 6 weeks, I spoke too quickly
I was waiting for the news about the new bots coming
So are we! Please check them out on PBE and give us feedback. :)
Hey reav3 can you share what kind of scope we could expect from the smaller split 3 patch, if it isn't midseason sized. Would it be like a larger than average balance patch.
It will be more focused on competitive play for worlds, similar to the larger sized patches we do before worlds patches
do you have any updates on language swapping or is that something for a later dev update
Not today, I think we've got an update tentatively scheduled for our next video though, will follow up
Just expressing excitement about all this.
My son and fiancé would have a much more gentle intro to League if bots actually taught how to play the game.
Yay! I am happy we can help you get more folks in! I actually think one of the biggest personal motivators for me was just how painful it was to get into League like 11 years ago. I wanted to play more in co-op versus AI to learn more but I just hit a skill ceiling and had to eat the like... 10 game loss streak for my MMR to be set.
I want to make the game that I love easier for others who also love it to share with new friends and family :)
/u/RiotMeddler with preseason content on PBE for an extended period of time, do you guys worry about potential fatigue or drawing out a changes too long in the test realms. Also if you can share, how did you guys feels about the Tournament of Souls metagame, was it as successful as you would hoped, since I really enjoyed it but the memory consumption was a big issue.
It's possible, though we've had some content (e.g. Runes Reforged) on PBE for extended periods in the past without major fatigue issues once stuff's live. Most players don't engage much with PBE content, so the hope is this leaves gameplay changes feeling a lot fresher at season start for most players
Tournament of Souls - we feel this one went quite well overall, and really happy with things like this as alternatives to the visual novel format that was feeling played out previously. Technical issues are the exception though, while it worked well for most players it struggled or simply didn't function for others, which is definitely something we'd want to do a lot better at for whatever's next in this vein
Read moreI appreciate the work you've been doing on the bots already, I don't even have to test them out to say so. Glad they're getting an update and hopefully they will help new players out a lot.
Thank you so much! We have a long way to go but I am very proud of the work we have accomplished so far :)
Will it still be the Ionia themed map or a new one?
Ionia themed map
I think you made an error in the first sentence saying preseason twice
Oops, thanks, teach me not to check my posts...
Yep, this is honestly a great point for Riot to expand the game related information delivery across the board.
You should be able to see what every champion does in game without having to google it.
Better jungle implementation for coop vs ai. The very same things that tell the jungle bot how how to play could show up as indicators for a human player in coop vs ai.
Plenty of other available things too. Could tie in quests(tutorials) into the coop vs ai system.
Just all sorta of little things they could do that would add up to make the new player experience way better.
Better jungle implementation for coop vs ai. The very same things that tell the jungle bot how how to play could show up as indicators for a human player in coop vs ai.
We are actually using the jungle recommendation path that is given to players at the moment!
Additionally, we are considering that when we get to updating custom bots, you can play with the bots as allies as well. Then they will use pings and emotes for in-game communication systems to help the new players learn these communication systems. :)
Holy shit, Mythic items removed
In case it got missed - Mythics as a special item type with associated restrictions are gone. Some of the mythic items themselves are removed, others are being made into regular items instead so will still be around
Would you be able to put a playable version of Doom into it somewhere?
As in Will it run Doom? I mean, ignoring for a moment all the intellectual property issues that would create and the amount of work that could be going elsewhere for LoL, damn would I really love to see someone try
hey reav, since jax and skarner got mentioned but not inkmage, does that mean he is delayed or is he still on track for this year?
He's still on track for this year, we will talk about him more in the next Champion Roadmap
3 splits ? Fuck no im out , u literally have to grind and play an insane amount of games already just for it to reset and place u lower ? Why the hell should i try in the first 2 splits? Why even try at all actually
Couple of thoughts/bits of context:
You'll climb faster each split (this isn't same number of games more times per year)
Because ranked isn't turning off in November/December a ranked split will last for 4 months with 3 a year, versus 5 months this year (so not as big a change in split duration versus 2023 at least as it looks at first glance)
MYTHIC REMOVAL LETS GOOOOOO
On another note, its gonna feel weird not having preseason on live in November-December anymore, to me that end of year period is quite special, and I'm gonna miss it.
Yeah, there's some trade off to getting rid of that preseason period on live for sure and we went back and forth a lot internally before deciding on this approach. One of the key things that flipped us though was the proportion of the player base who simply don't have any interest in playing when ranked is off who therefore bounce during preseason. Our thinking was those that want to take the break to play other stuff during that part of the year can do so regardless, so good to keep ranked on during the winter holiday period for those who do want to be playing it.
Honestly the problems I had before were more related to specific champions: sometimes when Taric goes back to the lane alone he just stands there
menacinglydoing nothing waiting for someone so he can use W. Or how some champions can be “lured” in the top lane to cross the river and take 3 shots from tower at level 1, like Garen or Malphite.And how Leona has perfect timed cc when you step under tower. Damn.
Yea, the old system was more 1 Bot Brain per champion design, which is why quirks in basic functions could occur in one bot. (It also caused a lot of pain for developers as if they found 1 bug in 1 bot.... They would need to fix it across each bot individually.)
With our current system, a lot of our goals are centered around the ability to quickly iterate out bugs/quirks at scale.
That being said, there is a likelihood you will see these behaviors and many more when we go to PBE over the next month or so. So please do let us know if you see these issues so we can fix them prior to a full launch! (And to also test our new fancy iteration tooling :) )
Read moreI hope they bring back midscopes
The people who work on midscopes are (mainly) the same team that work on preseason, so right now that's where their focus is going. Once preseason work's out of the way we'll take a look at things and see whether to put midscopes, other work or a mixture of the two on the docket.
Now let's see if the community real likes and will support nexus blitz.
Hoping so, would love to have a case for it being a more frequent mode. This version's very similar overall to its past run, we'd definitely be open to gameplay adjustments though in the future if the interest is there
Ranked: I know all other games adopt a 3 month or so Ranked "reset" cadence, but League was special because it felt like a sporting season. Its familiar, flexible, and intuitive.
Having 3 different splits waters down the merit, value, and prestige of the Ranked ecosystem because it resets and happens so often. It's like if the World Cup changes from every 4 years, to every year. Frequency isn't always positive, I mean look at the LEC, I don't even know wtf is going on there. They're dishing out trophies like Oprah and it just waters down the experience and achievement.
Summoners Rift: BYE MYTHICS, you wont be missed. Wish these Dev Updates have more information about SR. Better than the previous one though. /u/Reav3 said preseason was going to be big, I hope it delivers.
Gotta keep some things a secret ;)